Guns

To Keep and Bear Arms

To Keep and Bear Arms:

Only fantasts can think the self-styled militias of our day are acting under the mandate of, or even in accord with, the Second Amendment. Only madmen, one would think, can suppose that militias have a constitutional right to levy war against the United States, which is treason by constitutional definition (Article III, Section 3, Clause 1). Yet the body of writers who proclaim themselves at the scholarly center of the Second Amendment’s interpretation say that a well-regulated body authorized by the government is intended to train itself for action against the government.

From 1995.

Counterfactual Identity Swap – MattBruenig | Politics

Counterfactual Identity Swap – MattBruenig | Politics:

we actually have historical examples of nonwhite groups doing this that are directly on point. For example, in 1971, the American Indian Movement took over Alcatraz Island and held it for 19 months. The occupation ended after the government laid siege to the island and the thing more or less collapsed.

Way too many people asking “what if they were black?” or comparing the armed group in Oregon to the unarmed Occupy movement. Neither BlackLivesMatter nor Occupy showed up armed. They showed up to protest and only their own lives were at risk.

The real question should be on wether or not we are ok with armed protestors, not skin tone or what they might be protesting.

'Daily Show' Debunks 'Good Guy With A Gun' Theory About Mass Shootings (VIDEO)

'Daily Show' Debunks 'Good Guy With A Gun' Theory About Mass Shootings (VIDEO):

Correspondent Jordan Klepper went across the river to New Jersey to train for his concealed carry permit. After finishing his training, he went to the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training in Texas to learn how to respond to an active shooter.

In a nutshell, it’s the training not the weapon that matters in an active shooter situation.

Paul Ryan Throws Support Behind Mental Health Reform Bill

Paul Ryan Throws Support Behind Mental Health Reform Bill:

Ryan called mental health issues the “common theme” you see in mass shootings, along with attackers who are “terrorist-inspired.”

And good for him for noticing and taking some action on it. Let’s see how the rest of his party acts.

The speaker also said he opposed using the No-Fly List as a measure for restricting gun purchases, saying many people are put on the list arbitrarily or by “mistake.”

Maybe the no-fly list can be fixed then? Do we really want people fresh from jihad training walking off the aircraft and stopping at the nearest gun shop on the way to the commit a terrorist attack?

To families of mass-shooting victims in U.S., Paris attacks sadly familiar

To families of mass-shooting victims in U.S., Paris attacks sadly familiar:

She has become painfully familiar with mass shootings since a gunman killed her daughter in a crowded suburban Denver movie theater, and she’s frustrated when pundits wonder if similar attacks on “soft targets” could happen in America.

“What ‘soft-target’ are you talking about? A school? Oh, gee, it’s already happened, several times. A movie theater? Oh, gee, it’s already happened,” Phillips said. “Who are we fooling? We’ve been living under terrorist attacks since Columbine. They’re just being done by our own people.”

Woman saying ‘we’re ready for Ferguson’ accidentally shoots self in head, dies | WGN-TV

Woman saying ‘we’re ready for Ferguson’ accidentally shoots self in head, dies | WGN-TV:

The female victim, identified in a police report as Becca Campbell, 26, was a passenger in a car involved in an auto accident. Her 33-year-old boyfriend was driving, the sources told CNN.

The boyfriend, who wasn’t identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.

Home-Grown, Right-Wing Terrorism: The Hate the GOP Refuses to See

Home-Grown, Right-Wing Terrorism: The Hate the GOP Refuses to See:

right at the start of the Obama era, when then-Secretary of Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano issued a report (PDF) entitled: “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment”? The report was truly prescient. It alerted us to the rise of right-wing extremism, such as from white supremacist groups, and warned that unchecked, it could lead to violence.

Anheuser-Busch heir resigns life-long NRA membership

Anheuser-Busch heir resigns life-long NRA membership

The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established. Your current strategic focus clearly places priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members.

They get more money from manufacturers. Dues from individual hunters and sportsmen are meaningless to the bottom line of the NRA.

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says “State” instead of “Country” (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia’s vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that … and we all should be too. In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the “slave patrols,” and they were regulated by the states…

I don’t agree with this view that militia refers only to slave militias. Most states had militias at the time of the founders, including free states.

Pointing out that the talking points about Hitler and gun control are mostly wrong is the same as holocaust denial?

Pointing out that the talking points about Hitler and gun control are mostly wrong is the same as holocaust denial?

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wontoo3fore:

As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler's, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them. The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition," Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

Worth a read.

Everyone was allowed guns!

EXCEPT FOR JEWS!

Are we really going to start denying that the holocaust happened?

Pointing out that the talking points about Hitler and gun control are mostly wrong is the same as holocaust denial?

Look at the timeline again. The gun ban predates Hitler. Stating that Hitler came to power then took away all the guns is just wrong. Likewise, when the gun ownership was expanded to everyone but Jews, Hitler was already in power.

Nothing in the article denies the holocaust. Why do you feel the need to make that claim?

A Modest Proposal: What If We Required Mandatory Gun Insurance?

A Modest Proposal: What If We Required Mandatory Gun Insurance?

If you have a rifle and it’s only used for hunting, low rates. If you have a Glock and you carry it in an open-carry town or state, your rates will be very high — because odds are so much higher that innocent bystanders may get caught in a shootout. The more training and safety classes you take, the cheaper the premium.

I like this idea. And we can make the insurance tax deductible in cases where it makes sense. No one has to give up their gun, but those who might be putting others at risk with irresponsible gun ownership will pay into a fund to pay for tax deductions for responsible gun owners.

Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers

Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers

The officers unloaded 16 rounds in the shadow of the Empire State Building at a disgruntled former apparel designer, killing him after he engaged in a gunbattle with police, authorities said. Three passersby sustained direct gunshot wounds, while the remaining six were hit by fragments, according to New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly. All injuries were caused by police, he said Saturday.

Why does anyone think that if there were more people firing more rounds, there would have been fewer people hurt?

the Panthers began a regular practice of policing the police. Thanks to an army of new recruits inspired to join up when they heard about Newton's bravado, groups of armed Panthers would drive around following police cars. When the police stopped a black person, the Panthers would stand off to the side and shout out legal advice.

the Panthers began a regular practice of policing the police. Thanks to an army of new recruits inspired to join up when they heard about Newton's bravado, groups of armed Panthers would drive around following police cars. When the police stopped a black person, the Panthers would stand off to the side and shout out legal advice.
What are You Going to Do with Your Gun? | Bleeding Heart Libertarians

Adam Winkler: MLK and His Guns

in 1956, after King’s house was bombed, King applied for a concealed carry permit in Alabama. The local police had discretion to determine who was a suitable person to carry firearms. King, a clergyman whose life was threatened daily, surely met the requirements of the law, but he was rejected nevertheless. At the time, the police used any wiggle room in the law to discriminate against African Americans.

Ironically, the concealed carry permit law in Alabama was promoted by the National Rifle Association thirty years earlier. Today, the gun rights hardliners fight to eliminate permits for concealed carry, as Arizona has done.

Eventually, King gave up any hope of armed self-defense and embraced nonviolence more completely. Others in the civil rights movement, however, embraced the gun.

One of the most indelible images of the 1960s is a photograph from Life magazine of Malcolm X looking out a window with a long M-1 carbine in his hands, the rifle pointed up to the sky. For blacks unhappy with the progress achieved by King’s marches, the gun became a symbol of the “by any means necessary” philosophy.


From Adam Winkler: MLK and His Guns

So the moral of the story seems to be; if you want popular support for gun control, get infamous black people to pose with guns.

Myth of the Hero Gunslinger

Back to Tucson. On the day of the shooting, a young man named Joseph Zamudio was leaving a drugstore when he saw the chaos at the Safeway parking lot. Zamudio was armed, carrying his 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol. Heroically, he rushed to the scene, fingering his weapon, ready to fire.

"When everyone is carrying a firearm, nobody is going to be a victim," said Arizona state representative Jack Harper, after a gunman had claimed 19 victims.

"I wish there had been one more gun in Tucson," said an Arizona Congressman, Rep. Trent Franks, implying like Harper that if only someone had been armed at the scene, Jared Lee Loughner would not have been able to unload his rapid-fire Glock on innocent people.

In fact, several people were armed. So, what actually happened? As Zamudio said in numerous interviews, he never got a shot off at the gunman, but he nearly harmed the wrong person - one of those trying to control Loughner.


From Myth of the Hero Gunslinger

Can someone on the more guns side point to an incident where a person with a concealed weapon prevented a crime or prevented escalation of violence? That’s the claim people keep making; clearly there should be ample evidence that this does occur. Right?


Tea party nation founder Judson Phillips and Chris Matthews on the right’s gun fetish

Rep. Peter King wants gun control for Peter King

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, is planning to introduce legislation that would make it illegal to bring a gun within 1,000 feet of a government official, according to a person familiar with the congressman’s intentions.

From Has Rep. Peter King actually come up with a decent idea on gun control?

Peter King wants gun control for Peter King. He wants the state to ban guns around him. But not for say…schools or hospitals? State parks? The only gun-free zones should be around Rep. King. And presumably his family, friends and coworkers.

Campaign Season Rife With Gun Rhetoric

Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”

From Campaign Season Rife With Gun Rhetoric


I’m not saying there are no nut jobs on the left. But these are candidates for office. They must be held to a higher standard for both action and rhetoric than the standard we hold for semi-anonymous chat on the net.

Rep. Peter King wants gun control for Peter King

Rep. Peter King, a Republican from New York, is planning to introduce legislation that would make it illegal to bring a gun within 1,000 feet of a government official, according to a person familiar with the congressman’s intentions.

From Has Rep. Peter King actually come up with a decent idea on gun control?

Peter King wants gun control for Peter King. He wants the state to ban guns around him. But not for say…schools or hospitals? State parks? The only gun-free zones should be around Rep. King. And presumably his family, friends and coworkers.

Journalist Test Drives The Pain Ray Gun

The Silent Guardian is essentially (even though the creators prefer you not refer to it as such) a ray gun, emitting a focused beam of radiation similar to your microwave tuned to a specific frequency to stimulate human nerve endings.
From Slashdot | Journalist Test Drives The Pain Ray Gun

Ray gun? When the police started using stun guns, it was supposed to lower the number of shootings. Regardless of if that’s true; it lead to a lot of people being stunned or tazered. A ray gun will eventually be in the hands of the police. And I imagine that this will be used to zap crowds of protesters.